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Post by Desert Stallion on Nov 30, 2006 10:48:23 GMT -5
We all learn as we go along. Some of the beginning stuff in my Hogan's story isn't exactly accurate, like the description of Rommel's captured British "Mammut." Once I finish the story, I'll be going back and rewriting the places where I messed up.
By the way, out of curiosity, I drew a page of comics (about ten panels) dealing with Rommel falling into Narnia. It's only very, very rough sketch, and it's when he wakes up in Narnia as a centaur. I believe I'm going to put him in the Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe, (The time, WW2, would be more accurate) after all. This was only a test too see what I could draw, and I may continue. I want to color it in though with colored pencils first, before I'm sure.
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Post by Qualerei on Nov 30, 2006 13:04:33 GMT -5
Well, I know that's going to surprise you... But I want to see these !
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Post by Desert Stallion on Nov 30, 2006 17:13:12 GMT -5
I know, I know. But it's not even the first page. I'd be giving part of the plot away. I guess we could call it a sneak peek, or a trailer. Or maybe I'll put it up when a certain someone updates his stories. Muhahahaha! I think I want to start writing the story, but I'm still not certain what book I want it to take place in. If I do TLTWATW, everyone will have the movie characters in mind, but I kind of like the other books too. What do you think?
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Post by Wing on Nov 30, 2006 19:17:33 GMT -5
Sausage, actually, was the topping he asked for...
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Post by Qualerei on Nov 30, 2006 19:32:14 GMT -5
Sausage ? What has that to do with anything ? lol As for the Narnia book... I'm far from being an expert. But if you want to use the same timeline, you might want to use the one during WW2. Unless you've got a good explanation as to how Rommel gets there...
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Post by Desert Stallion on Dec 2, 2006 10:00:04 GMT -5
Sausage is the type of topping Rommel asked for in Wing's pizza dream, Qual. A sausage man, eh? You can tell a lot about a man from the type of pizza he eats...I think. Of course, with the time thing in Narnia, Peter and all his siblings grow up in Narnia all the way, then are reduced to their former age when they return to the wardrobe. Hardly a minute has passed since they went into the wardrobe, but years and years have passed in Narnia. So the Horse and His Boy, which takes place when Peter and CO. are kings and queens, would still work. I like that one, maybe because it features a talking horse as a main character. But I like the movie one too (talk about a too long title)
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Post by Qualerei on Dec 2, 2006 11:55:28 GMT -5
Well, technically, Rommel would be a talking horse... somehow.
So, what can you tell about sausage pizza eaters ?
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Post by Desert Stallion on Dec 2, 2006 13:47:13 GMT -5
I know, maybe I could replace Bree the talking horse with Rommel the talking centaur. He wouldn't know what hit him, poor guy.
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Post by Qualerei on Dec 2, 2006 14:11:00 GMT -5
I don't think I read that particular book, so I don't know what would happen to him, but I definitely sympathize, nyuhuhuh. So, what are you going to do, finally ?
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Post by Desert Stallion on Dec 2, 2006 14:17:17 GMT -5
I really don't know yet. I need to look at the book again, if I can find it. It's somewhere around here.
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Post by Qualerei on Dec 2, 2006 16:21:17 GMT -5
Uh uh. That's what I said when I was looking for that horrible economics book...
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Post by Desert Stallion on Mar 23, 2007 17:50:19 GMT -5
Well, here's the promised musings on my story Change, as promised. My Narnia story, (I ditched the comic page) is still early on in the planning stages, reaaaallly early on. Early 1944. While on a dangerous mission, Hogan is badly wounded. Somehow, by the shock (or whatever I can think up), he is thrown back in time, not far, but to the middle-end of World War 1, the Great War. A once-in-a-lifetime chance gives him two choices-alter the world’s future, or let things proceed as they should. He unknowingly (or knowingly) makes his choice, and the world is turned upside down. He kills Corporal Hitler. The Second World War is vastly changed. Italy, Japan, and Russia, and Eastern Germany are the Axis powers. West Germany, England, France, and eventually America are the Allied powers. (Small countries go both ways. Spain steers clear once again.) Germany is split in a civil war. Himmler, Goering, and Goebbels find each other and become leaders of East Germany. Poland falls quickly to Himmler’s armies, because West Germany is weakened still by WWI, and East Germany has the strong support of Stalin. East Germany prepares to attack West Germany, and Germany, not France, is the main battleground of the war. East Germany is mainly S.S. units and Gestapo. West Germany, headed by Hans Speidel as president and Erwin Rommel as military commander, fights bravely. Outnumbered and outsupplied, she holds her own under the brilliant Rommel, until new Allies are convinced to join the war. The Werchmact are West Germany’s armies. She accepts thousands of Jews fleeing East Germany, bolstering her economy. Even though she is constantly bombed by East Germany and the Russians, West Germany holds on, easily holding the Italians back, but getting desperate for help from possible Allies. Hogan, between wars, eventually finds the younger versions of his friends. Newkirk on the streets of London, Kinch as a young American boxer? Lebeau as a Parisian chef, and Carter as a young wanna-be scientist. He bonds, naturally, with them and when WW2 begins, he takes them under his wings in the Airforce. They end up in…a prison camp of East Germany, Stalag 3, headed by an arrogant and cruel, but stupid, S.S. Colonel. (-insert name here-) Of course they begin their camp operations. Klink and Schultz are West Germany fighters, Schultz in the infantry, Klink in the Airforce. (Klink might end up in Stalag 3 with Hogan and Co.) And I’ve got a lot of characters described shortly, mostly historical, a little changed because of new positions. Maybe I’ll put that up someday… This is why I haven’t updated Change in eons. It’s going to take research like I’ve never done before, but I like the plot idea, so I’m unwilling to put it down. Anyway, I said I’d share this mess, so what do you folks think? Rommel would obviously play a nice-sized part in my story. I don't have all the nit-picky details down, like dates and whatnot, but it's fun to dream. (And yes, Wing, Hans Speidel was chosen to be President long before we ever met. I like him too...But Bayerlein's my favorite.
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Post by ErwiiRommie on Mar 24, 2007 0:55:16 GMT -5
"What's the strangest storyline concerning Rommel that you've ever wanted to write?"
Well... I cant say that I really wanted to write it, but I've considered the possiblities of such wacko ideas that pop up into my head at night. Aside from the King Arthur dream I've told ya'll about... there was one that keeps circulating around in my head.
Rommel the Immortal.
Its an idea Ive toyed with just for humor sake, even fleshed out the details.
Rommel is this immortal warrior illusionist from the days of the Atlantians tweleve thousand years ago and has roamed the earth since then. He's seen many wars and participated in some. He's watched Empires rise and fall and helped create and destroy a few. He's gone by many names, many of them just varients of his real name but has never wanted to be immortalized in history as himself.
He hasn't had this desire until shortly before World War I when he met his future wife. If he was right here now he could swear to you that she was a witch who hexed him. Everything he did, he did for her. The next thing he knew, a hero was being spun around him by his fellows and countrymen.
Being over tweleve thousand years old, its obvious he's had many children in his life. Any offspring of his with a mortal become half-immortals. Full immortality can only be inherited if two full immortals join. He's only had one full immortal child in his long life and regrets ever having created him. Mordred, whom has been a pain in the arse for the last thousand years and who is currently a Nazi Wizard in Himmler's SS Occult, has sworn a vendetta against his father.
His recent son, Manfred, is half-immortal and unaware of it. Only Lucie is aware of the truth and has accepted that she will pass on while they both continue. Rommel's siblings are half-immortals who have lived since their historical births. Helena Rommel, the mother, is the mortal. Half-immortals live for only a millenia and can die from disease or fatal injuries.
Rommel still does everything that has been historically recorded. He becomes a Field Marshal of the German Army and leader of the Afrika Korps and so forth. However, his part in the conspiracy against the Nazis had nothing to do with Hitler. He focused more on and convinced many of the conspirators of the threat of Mordred. He told them that should Hitler die and Himmler take over, it would place Mordred in a powerful position, one that could threaten all of them in more ways then they could possibly imagine.
On July 17th, 1944, Rommel would not be strafed by a Spitfire. In fact he was no where near France at the time. He was busy fighting Mordred in Russia right in the middle of a battle between the Russian Shock Army and Armeegruppe Central. Rommel would badly lose the fight and thus receive his injuries. The conspirators would have been able to get Rommel back to France and spin the story of a Spitfire strafing him.
July 20th would still happen despite Rommel's previous warnings and still fail. Everything that happened afterwards would still occur except on October 14th when the two SS General's come to "murder" Rommel. Burgdorf and Maisel had been debriefed on Rommel's unique "abilities" by Mordred and were instructed to arrest the Field Marshal. But because of Rommel's popularity and reputation among the people and soldiers, it would be made to appear that he died from his injuries and be given a funeral.
Because Rommel is both an illusionist, a soldier and immortal, the Nazis are afraid of carrying out the usual protocol against the rest of his family and promise them immunity. Rommel plays out his role as a dead hero up until its time for him to be cremated and buried. There he's taken away and locked up in Germany's most darkest, dankest and isolated cell to rot for the rest of time. His family is sworn to never attempt to find him or set him free or they forgo their immunity.
He would stay there for sixty years until someone in the government inquires about the mysterious prisoner in the isolation cell. Rommel is set free and immediately hunts for Mordred. He's had a long time to think on how he could rid himself of his mistake and eventually came to a conclusion on how to kill an immortal. It involves an artifact from Atlantis, his sword Excalibur (heh, me and King Arthur), and Shambala (Shangri-La).
But first... He has to find Shambala.
Anyway... according to the legends of his people, Shambala was the homeland of the immortals. There was a divide between these people and a battle broke out between the two disagreeing groups. The losing side was cast out of the paradise, its gateway barring them admittance. The energy that allows such a place to exist had side-effects for its occupants should they leave. The first immortals had come to see the side-effect as a curse, a punishment for the rift among their people. Later generations would accept it as a blessing, a chance to one day return to Shambala. Over time the immortals would spread out and create the ancient civilizations we know as China, Egypt, Babylon, Maya, Atlantis, and so forth.
Rommel believes that upon reentering Shambala, an immortal would become suseptible to death. By using the ancient artifact from Atlantis, he would find his way to the city's gateway. Excalibur is the key that allows him to pass through the gateway and enter Shambala. Once inside he could kill Mordred.
He carries out his plan without much difficulty. Finding Mordred and capturing him was the hardest part but eventually he makes to Shambala. Once inside, he attempts to kill Mordred but is stopped by the natives. Violence within their city is forbidden and is punishable by exile. Seeing that the punishment does not faze Rommel and Mordred, the inhabitants have no choice but to incapacitate them with sleeping dust.
Both men evetually awaken in seperate rooms, naked and Rommel without his weapons. They are treated like honored guests, the usual hollywood sterotypical India servants come in and bath, feed and dress them. Both of them are completely confused to these turn of events. Eventually they are brought before the Kulika (King) where they can speak their truth to him and await his judgement. The Kulika is surprised to learn that their exiled ancestors and themselves are immortal and finds himself at an indecision on what to do with them.
He can not exile Mordred because of his evil alignment but neither could he allow such a monster to live in paradise. However he can't exile Rommel because that is where he came from and his lived in therefore it would not faze the immortal as much and yet Rommel broke their highest law and can not be allowed to stay either.
The Kulika sends them away to their rooms while he decides. Eventually he comes to a decision. After much thought he believes he has found a solution to his problem. Both men value their immortalty and care nothing for Shambala. Mordred would only continue his evil ways and vendetta against his father. Rommel would just continue on trying to kill Mordred which could and would lead to future wars among the outsiders. He cannot keep these men in his city because of the threat they pose to the stability of his civilization. So therefore the only solution presentable to him is to execute them both.
The last time a person died by another's hand had occured eight thousand years ago under the threat of a second rift occuring among the inhabitants. The Kulika makes his decision and the two men are prepared for execution. Meanwhile they are taken back to their rooms under guard.
While they wait, Rommel hears a disturbance outside his room and goes to investigate. He finds the guards watching Mordred's room dead and his own guards missing. After a few seconds he hears a bell ringing in the distance, someone has sounded the alarm. Seeing his oppurtunity to flee this place alive, Rommel makes for his escape. Along the way he sees more guards fighting Mordred and notices where his hated son is heading. The Kulika's quarters.
Honorable as he is, Rommel foregoes an escape and picks up one of the dead guard's weapons and charges after Mordred. He catches up and fights the younger immortal within the Kulika's chambers with the Kulika as witness. Mordred deals a fatal blow to Rommel and stands triumphant over his father. While he gloats and tells him how his plan to kill him backfired and how the Kulika will join Rommel, Rommel takes that time to pierce Mordred's heart with a shard from some broken urn nearby. Mordred dies instantly and Rommel lays there slowly dying himself.
The Kulika stops his guards from finishing off Rommel and thanks the German for saving his life. When asked why he chose to help rather then escape, Rommel replies that Mordred was his responsibility and it was the honorable thing to do. The Kulika pardons Rommel but despite promises to help save his life, Rommel declines and tells the king that he's lived long enough.
Rommel dies from his wounds and is buried in the palace garden as a friend.
Gah... I did not mean to flesh it out THAT much... guess I really want to write it after all. Lol.
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Post by Qualerei on Mar 24, 2007 7:18:25 GMT -5
DS : Time-travel, Hogan's Heroes version ! What a fine idea ! It would be quite interesting to have Klink and Hogan fight on the same side, not to mention Hogan has at least some knowledge of top-secret stuff that happened in his timeline (I'm thinking Manhattan project, here). And he has a lot of experience. Would he be able to manipulate this colonel SS as he did Klink, at least to some extent ? Would they meet Schultz ? Teh, I can see Hogan slip and call Schultz by his name even before they were introduced to each other... When you say Hogan's thrown back in time, are there two Hogans, or only one ? If so, he somehow kills the younger version of himself, no ? Le Beau as a Parisian chef... that's cliché, still but since he's always cooking, in the series, why not. So what would happen to Rommel ? He could be a prisoner in the same stalag as Hogan... And why did you change the number of the stalag ? I have a feeling Bayerlein will have a part in this story... Rommie : Now, that's pretty elaborated, what you've written. Kind of a crossover with King Arthur, a very tiny little bit of Highlander in the general concept, Atlantis... But why not. However, does Rommel really love his wife so much ? I mean, after millenia loving and seeing people die, I'd expect him to be disillusioned, to protect himself by not loving too much, that kind of things. Well, that's just how I see it. And the people who free this "mysterious prisoner", do they not enquire as to who he is, why he looks in his early fifties when he's been there for over six decades ? They just let him go, no question asked ? Or maybe Rommel doesn't ask for their permission, but then they would most likely send someone after him, would they not ? And doesn't he try to find his son Manfred ? I also have trouble believing that Manfred would leave his father in a cell, even after his mother died. He could wait, so as to protect her, but after, wouldn't he have been looking for his father ? And why does Rommel have to die in the end ? *starts crying* Anyway, great idea, I hope you write it. Although I'm still looking forward to reading this SG1 story as well.
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Post by Desert Stallion on Mar 24, 2007 8:20:41 GMT -5
Qual: Why thankyou. ;D I hadn't considered the fact that Hogan might know so much...In theory, he might end up a general for WW2, sitting in some dusty old war room. But I don't think he'd stand for that; he'd probably want a flying job again. Maybe he and his younger-version buddies would sign on to West Germany's Airforce, like some Americans did with the French in WWI. Then they could meet Rommel, if the Field Marshal came to formally thank the American, English, and French volunteer fliers. I suppose he'd manipulate the new colonel, but it might be harder, because although stupid, the S.S. guy would be a lot harder on his prisoners. I can see Hogan and Klink in a POW camp discussing their kommandant, and Hogan just smiling into his sleeve. Schultz might be one of the infantry troops who liberates the Luftstalag. I love your idea for Hogan greeting him; can you imagine Schultz's expression? Two Hogans or one? Hm...Hard to say. One would be easier, but two would make it more time-travely. Maybe they'd end up working together. (Two heads are better than one) Or maybe I'll say the time-change flipped out Hogan with his younger counterpart, and the younger Hogan is in our real time of WWII. Curious... Lebeau as a Parisian chef is indeed cliche; if you can think of a better occupation for him to have, feel free to suggest it. Speaking of that, I've still got to figure out how old these guys would be in the 1910s through 1930s. The thirty-year olds would be pretty young when Hogan found them. Which takes me to a new thought. Newkirk several times mentions the awful relationship with his father, which always made me think of him as a young pickpocket roaming the streets of London, tough and small and alone. What age would you say he is in HH? 30? 35? 25? If he were born around 1910, he'd be a young teenager when Hogan ran into him, which might make for some fun writing. Carter would be really young. Rommel would be the overall military commander of West Germany, so he probably wouldn't end up in a luftstalag. I'd write his adventures from the battlefield, planning rooms, etc. Number of the Stalag...Well, I wondered if half a Germany would have over 13 LuftStalags, and as the commandant isn't quite the same, the camp wouldn't be quite the same either, subtle differences. And yep, Bayerlein would probably end up as Rommel's chief-of-staff once again. Rommie:Rommel dies?? oh dear... Sounds like an interesting story concept, Rommel having been around for ages. Maybe he was Hannibal and Ceasar and all those brilliant Generals in disguise. Like Qual, I might think Manfred would attempt to find his father, especially if he could get Lucie to a safe place, like England or America. He does do a lot for Lucie, doesn't he? Maybe there's more to Lucie than meets the eye...
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